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		<title>By: Kalla</title>
		<link>http://austenblog.com/2005/11/11/no-taste-less-filling-the-editrix-reviews-pp3/#comment-22535</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kalla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t say anything new about the new movie - indeed it is funny and romantic and modern, but it simply isn&#039;t Pride and Prejude. To me, Garvie and Rintoul are definitely the best by far. They are not playing the characters - they simply are the characters as described in the book. Garvie, with her expressive dark eyes displays Lizzy&#039;s intelligence, vivacity, warmth and wit on one hand, and her modesty, integrity, propriety and dignity on the other, just as they should be. Rintoul is as strikingly tall, dark, aristocratic and handsome as in the book. And we shouldn&#039;t forget that Darcy is so arrogant, solemn, rigid and reserved that his admitting his love for Elizabeth comes as a complete shock and that even during his visits to Pemberley after lydia&#039;s marriage Lizzy complains that she can&#039;t understand why he came to be so silent and grave. He is supposed to be practically unapproachable, especially before the meeting at Pemberley. At Pemberley his transformation is most visible - he is friendly and obliging and smiling to his guests in his special dignified manner. And after the second proposal, he just can&#039;t hold back his happy smiles any longer and it&#039;s a sight to behold after all this reserve. Other important characters are also perfect in this version, especially Jane, the Bennet couple, the Gardiners, Mr Collins and Charlotte. All the other &quot;Lizzys&quot; and &quot;Darcys&quot; - well, there are many reasons to enjoy them, and I do some of them, and they are all very modern and romantic, but they are just not Jane Austen&#039;s Lizzys and Darcys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t say anything new about the new movie &#8211; indeed it is funny and romantic and modern, but it simply isn&#8217;t Pride and Prejude. To me, Garvie and Rintoul are definitely the best by far. They are not playing the characters &#8211; they simply are the characters as described in the book. Garvie, with her expressive dark eyes displays Lizzy&#8217;s intelligence, vivacity, warmth and wit on one hand, and her modesty, integrity, propriety and dignity on the other, just as they should be. Rintoul is as strikingly tall, dark, aristocratic and handsome as in the book. And we shouldn&#8217;t forget that Darcy is so arrogant, solemn, rigid and reserved that his admitting his love for Elizabeth comes as a complete shock and that even during his visits to Pemberley after lydia&#8217;s marriage Lizzy complains that she can&#8217;t understand why he came to be so silent and grave. He is supposed to be practically unapproachable, especially before the meeting at Pemberley. At Pemberley his transformation is most visible &#8211; he is friendly and obliging and smiling to his guests in his special dignified manner. And after the second proposal, he just can&#8217;t hold back his happy smiles any longer and it&#8217;s a sight to behold after all this reserve. Other important characters are also perfect in this version, especially Jane, the Bennet couple, the Gardiners, Mr Collins and Charlotte. All the other &#8220;Lizzys&#8221; and &#8220;Darcys&#8221; &#8211; well, there are many reasons to enjoy them, and I do some of them, and they are all very modern and romantic, but they are just not Jane Austen&#8217;s Lizzys and Darcys.</p>
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		<title>By: Mags</title>
		<link>http://austenblog.com/2005/11/11/no-taste-less-filling-the-editrix-reviews-pp3/#comment-22534</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 14:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;KK made a good Elizabeth because she is actually the same age as the character!&lt;/em&gt;

She&#039;s still too young. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>KK made a good Elizabeth because she is actually the same age as the character!</em></p>
<p>She&#8217;s still too young. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Caroline (not Bingley)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caroline (not Bingley)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 04:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KK made a good Elizabeth because she is actually the same age as the character!  Goodness, Garvie seemed about 30 and now that I&#039;ve seen both, I have to say the Lizzie in the A&amp;E excellent version has the maturity of someone twice her age.  When KK burst into a big smile as only a young girl could do, I thought, &quot;Well, Lizzie is supposed to be that young.&quot;  Most of this movie covers sexual attraction between Darcy and Lizzie.  I&#039;d never thought to have Darcy notice Lizzie immediately, with the double-take he does at first seeing her, but really, isn&#039;t that how we all choose a mate?  Chemistry?  And this version is the first where I&#039;ve seen Lizzie battling that chemistry with the accounts she hears of Wickham and the news that her chemistry-sparking Darcy is also the source of her sister&#039;s misery.  Excellent.  A different slant.  Well done.  Had to see it twice, and can&#039;t wait for the DVD!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KK made a good Elizabeth because she is actually the same age as the character!  Goodness, Garvie seemed about 30 and now that I&#8217;ve seen both, I have to say the Lizzie in the A&amp;E excellent version has the maturity of someone twice her age.  When KK burst into a big smile as only a young girl could do, I thought, &#8220;Well, Lizzie is supposed to be that young.&#8221;  Most of this movie covers sexual attraction between Darcy and Lizzie.  I&#8217;d never thought to have Darcy notice Lizzie immediately, with the double-take he does at first seeing her, but really, isn&#8217;t that how we all choose a mate?  Chemistry?  And this version is the first where I&#8217;ve seen Lizzie battling that chemistry with the accounts she hears of Wickham and the news that her chemistry-sparking Darcy is also the source of her sister&#8217;s misery.  Excellent.  A different slant.  Well done.  Had to see it twice, and can&#8217;t wait for the DVD!</p>
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		<title>By: Mags</title>
		<link>http://austenblog.com/2005/11/11/no-taste-less-filling-the-editrix-reviews-pp3/#comment-22532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mags]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 06:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Mags: Out of curiousity, which scenes were ruined for you when it wasn’t Jane’s words being used?&lt;/em&gt;

Just saw this...quickly, both proposal scenes, and the scene where Lizzy and Mr. Bennet discuss whether she should marry Darcy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Mags: Out of curiousity, which scenes were ruined for you when it wasn’t Jane’s words being used?</em></p>
<p>Just saw this&#8230;quickly, both proposal scenes, and the scene where Lizzy and Mr. Bennet discuss whether she should marry Darcy.</p>
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		<title>By: agnesT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agnesT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2005 17:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P&amp;P3 opened in local cinemas on the 8th.  Prior to that, I&#039;ve already read Mags review, and several others and  decided to watch it with the right frame of mind: as pure entertainment.

I turned a blind eye to the liberties they took with plot, characterisation and period inaccuracies and came away quite enjoying it. KK and MM are believable as the two leads, if you can forgive the director for fast forwading some parts of the story and condensing some of the key moments in the book, then you&#039;ll grow to like the pair as the film develops.

It isn&#039;t a perfect adaptation, but for two hours of romantic escapism, it satisfied my curiosity. I quite like PP3 but I love B&amp;P! But then I&#039;m totally biased given my love of Bollywood dramas and Ashwarya.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P&amp;P3 opened in local cinemas on the 8th.  Prior to that, I&#8217;ve already read Mags review, and several others and  decided to watch it with the right frame of mind: as pure entertainment.</p>
<p>I turned a blind eye to the liberties they took with plot, characterisation and period inaccuracies and came away quite enjoying it. KK and MM are believable as the two leads, if you can forgive the director for fast forwading some parts of the story and condensing some of the key moments in the book, then you&#8217;ll grow to like the pair as the film develops.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a perfect adaptation, but for two hours of romantic escapism, it satisfied my curiosity. I quite like PP3 but I love B&amp;P! But then I&#8217;m totally biased given my love of Bollywood dramas and Ashwarya.</p>
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		<title>By: sissoed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sissoed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 02:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The great thing that the Emma Thompson Sense &amp; Sensibility had, and that this Knightley Pride &amp; Prejudice could have had but doesn&#039;t, is the tension imposed on the main characters, whereby their sense of honor and allegiance to the rules of propriety and manners is the primary obstacle to expressing their true feelings to those they love.  Elizabeth Bennett and Elinor Dashwood, as written by Austen, are great characters because they abide by their sense of honor even though it puts them at risk of never reaching those they love.  This P&amp;P, while an excellent romantic movie, deprives us of the exceptionally admirable Elizabeth of Austen&#039;s conception, because it has removed from the world of the movie the overriding social force of the rules of propriety, as several commenters here have noted above, in an effort to make the world of the movie more familiar to the modern audience.  I understand why the movie-makers did this; they didn&#039;t want to spend time educating the audience in the social manners of 200 years ago, as that might get in the way of the love-story (although this was not a problem for the S&amp;S movie).  But their choice has cost us something fundamental, I think, because it made it impossible to present Elizabeth as she ought to have been.  I am curious to know from some of the commenters above, who have felt Eliabeth to be a life-long role model for them,  whether they think that the Elizabeth as presented in this movie would have inspired them in the same way, had this been the kind of Elizabeth they first encountered when they first read the book or first saw a P&amp;P dramatization.  If not, then I should think that we should urge our daughters&#039; first experience of P&amp;P to one of the other dramatic versions, or to the book, before this movie.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great thing that the Emma Thompson Sense &amp; Sensibility had, and that this Knightley Pride &amp; Prejudice could have had but doesn&#8217;t, is the tension imposed on the main characters, whereby their sense of honor and allegiance to the rules of propriety and manners is the primary obstacle to expressing their true feelings to those they love.  Elizabeth Bennett and Elinor Dashwood, as written by Austen, are great characters because they abide by their sense of honor even though it puts them at risk of never reaching those they love.  This P&amp;P, while an excellent romantic movie, deprives us of the exceptionally admirable Elizabeth of Austen&#8217;s conception, because it has removed from the world of the movie the overriding social force of the rules of propriety, as several commenters here have noted above, in an effort to make the world of the movie more familiar to the modern audience.  I understand why the movie-makers did this; they didn&#8217;t want to spend time educating the audience in the social manners of 200 years ago, as that might get in the way of the love-story (although this was not a problem for the S&amp;S movie).  But their choice has cost us something fundamental, I think, because it made it impossible to present Elizabeth as she ought to have been.  I am curious to know from some of the commenters above, who have felt Eliabeth to be a life-long role model for them,  whether they think that the Elizabeth as presented in this movie would have inspired them in the same way, had this been the kind of Elizabeth they first encountered when they first read the book or first saw a P&amp;P dramatization.  If not, then I should think that we should urge our daughters&#8217; first experience of P&amp;P to one of the other dramatic versions, or to the book, before this movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mags: Out of curiousity, which scenes were ruined for you when it wasn&#039;t Jane&#039;s words being used?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mags: Out of curiousity, which scenes were ruined for you when it wasn&#8217;t Jane&#8217;s words being used?</p>
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		<title>By: Dae</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dae]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2005 06:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[90 comments, people? 90?! Heavens. I don&#039;t know about you, but I&#039;m going to trade my cow in for some beans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>90 comments, people? 90?! Heavens. I don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;m going to trade my cow in for some beans.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimi S</title>
		<link>http://austenblog.com/2005/11/11/no-taste-less-filling-the-editrix-reviews-pp3/#comment-22529</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mimi S]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mags and all,

I guess your site is now the only one where I do feel comfortable posting a review. I saw the movie recently and overall the experience has made me understand both the positive and negative sides.

My own opinion tends to be slightly less then impressed. I do love some things about the movie:

- Tom Hollander&#039;s Mr. Collins- absolutely awesome. Didn&#039;t think I could feel sorry for him but as I was watching I thought he was too good for Lizzy and way above this movie&#039;s version of Charlotte. He was the only one where it looked the character was natural.

- Simon Woods&#039; Bingley- Yes, I do hate DM&#039;s interpretation but the character itself is so fluffy that I think its really hard not to love him. Just like a newborn kitten. Although I really don&#039;t see how he could have mistaken Jane&#039;s intentions- she was bloody obvious. So I guess that&#039;s why DM had to add the &quot;unmitigated ass&quot; dialogue. Although besides the rehearsal scene by the river, I really don&#039;t get any reason why he should have been friends with Darcy.

- I didn&#039;t agree with DM&#039;s interpretation of Darcy but was once again the acting was good. I didn&#039;t get the feeling that this Darcy was an intellectual but his vulnerability came through rather well. I think another thing that probably did this Darcy a disservice was the props given to him. He was a sartorial mess and the images associated with Pemberly did little to convince me that this man could manage an estate as grand as that. He seemed more like 18 then 28.

-Dame Judi Dench- Great Rosings scene and kudos to her for acting through that disaster of a midnight visit. Why did they make her say something about a pretty wilderness- how could she even tell in the darkness plus it had really nothing to do with her talk with Lizzy.

Dislikes-

Jane Bennet- Yes, she was beautiful but where was the quiet contemplative nature I had come to associate with her. She didn&#039;t seem at all shy or modest during the balls or really during any type of interaction. What was that midnight trip to London following Bingley&#039;s leaving about? Seemed like she was chasing him rather than mourning his loss. Although having to utter the trite &quot;A thousand times yes&quot; did fit DM&#039;s characterization. I also missed Jane&#039;s unique ability to see the good in everyone which was why I cringed during her calling Caroline pernicious after her engagement, and also earlier on where she doesn&#039;t try to defend Darcy. It seemed that she was just another lovelorn girl.

Lizzy- I can&#039;t even associate the decorum of Elizabeth with DM&#039;s characterization. Once again she pushed the youthful angle and this combined with KK&#039;s delivery just made my head spin and ache after the screaming. I got more of a combative energy from her rather than JA&#039;s archness. However, I do concede that sometimes the props given to KK to work with weren&#039;t the best. I know the sculpture scene was included because of Chatsworth but I&#039;m wondering how realistic was it to expect a girl to wring the essence of a human being from a block of marble. Maybe DM thought she was improving on the original text wherein a lowly housekeeper triggers Elizabeth&#039;s change of mind. But this scene left me literally stone cold. Plus her running away- not only rude but also cowardly. I particularly don&#039;t understand why we see such a change in the movie between the first and second half- during the first half the family is very close but by the end she&#039;s screaming at them to leave her alone and she doesn&#039;t even mention to Jane about Darcy&#039;s proposal. It just seemed really uncharacteristic and furthermore an unnecessary change to JA in order to heighten the [melo]dramatic effect. Once again the intelligence I associate with Elizabeth came off more as cleverness and flirtation.

Mr. Bennet- Truly hideous. Why so somonolent and henpecked? If Lizzy and Darcy were dumbed down then Mr. Bennet was given a lobotomy. Plus I wasn&#039;t the only one to giggle at the end when he had his final scene with Lizzy and the pearly whites came through. Why does Lizzy look up to this man- I know there was some knowing looks exchanged during the dinner with Mr. Collins but it looked to me like DS was just becoming tipsy. Does it really make sense for him to humiliate Mary- the humiliation really didn&#039;t come through because it looked like nobody was paying attention- and then run after to comfort her?

Charlotte- I&#039;m a true Charlotte fan both in the book and in the other adaptations. This one was just horrid. Rather than being level-headed and rational- she was no better than an of the other girls. Plus the calculating to get Collins was overdone. Overall, DM took a character that had dignity and made her desperate for no discernible reason.  I don&#039;t think there was the beautiful line of &quot;I am not a romantic you know. I never was.&quot; Rather there&#039;s some pseudo-junk about her being a burden on her parents. And stomping away. Just all around a forced and cringeworthy scene.

I&#039;ll come back and say more later.

Mimi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mags and all,</p>
<p>I guess your site is now the only one where I do feel comfortable posting a review. I saw the movie recently and overall the experience has made me understand both the positive and negative sides.</p>
<p>My own opinion tends to be slightly less then impressed. I do love some things about the movie:</p>
<p>- Tom Hollander&#8217;s Mr. Collins- absolutely awesome. Didn&#8217;t think I could feel sorry for him but as I was watching I thought he was too good for Lizzy and way above this movie&#8217;s version of Charlotte. He was the only one where it looked the character was natural.</p>
<p>- Simon Woods&#8217; Bingley- Yes, I do hate DM&#8217;s interpretation but the character itself is so fluffy that I think its really hard not to love him. Just like a newborn kitten. Although I really don&#8217;t see how he could have mistaken Jane&#8217;s intentions- she was bloody obvious. So I guess that&#8217;s why DM had to add the &#8220;unmitigated ass&#8221; dialogue. Although besides the rehearsal scene by the river, I really don&#8217;t get any reason why he should have been friends with Darcy.</p>
<p>- I didn&#8217;t agree with DM&#8217;s interpretation of Darcy but was once again the acting was good. I didn&#8217;t get the feeling that this Darcy was an intellectual but his vulnerability came through rather well. I think another thing that probably did this Darcy a disservice was the props given to him. He was a sartorial mess and the images associated with Pemberly did little to convince me that this man could manage an estate as grand as that. He seemed more like 18 then 28.</p>
<p>-Dame Judi Dench- Great Rosings scene and kudos to her for acting through that disaster of a midnight visit. Why did they make her say something about a pretty wilderness- how could she even tell in the darkness plus it had really nothing to do with her talk with Lizzy.</p>
<p>Dislikes-</p>
<p>Jane Bennet- Yes, she was beautiful but where was the quiet contemplative nature I had come to associate with her. She didn&#8217;t seem at all shy or modest during the balls or really during any type of interaction. What was that midnight trip to London following Bingley&#8217;s leaving about? Seemed like she was chasing him rather than mourning his loss. Although having to utter the trite &#8220;A thousand times yes&#8221; did fit DM&#8217;s characterization. I also missed Jane&#8217;s unique ability to see the good in everyone which was why I cringed during her calling Caroline pernicious after her engagement, and also earlier on where she doesn&#8217;t try to defend Darcy. It seemed that she was just another lovelorn girl.</p>
<p>Lizzy- I can&#8217;t even associate the decorum of Elizabeth with DM&#8217;s characterization. Once again she pushed the youthful angle and this combined with KK&#8217;s delivery just made my head spin and ache after the screaming. I got more of a combative energy from her rather than JA&#8217;s archness. However, I do concede that sometimes the props given to KK to work with weren&#8217;t the best. I know the sculpture scene was included because of Chatsworth but I&#8217;m wondering how realistic was it to expect a girl to wring the essence of a human being from a block of marble. Maybe DM thought she was improving on the original text wherein a lowly housekeeper triggers Elizabeth&#8217;s change of mind. But this scene left me literally stone cold. Plus her running away- not only rude but also cowardly. I particularly don&#8217;t understand why we see such a change in the movie between the first and second half- during the first half the family is very close but by the end she&#8217;s screaming at them to leave her alone and she doesn&#8217;t even mention to Jane about Darcy&#8217;s proposal. It just seemed really uncharacteristic and furthermore an unnecessary change to JA in order to heighten the [melo]dramatic effect. Once again the intelligence I associate with Elizabeth came off more as cleverness and flirtation.</p>
<p>Mr. Bennet- Truly hideous. Why so somonolent and henpecked? If Lizzy and Darcy were dumbed down then Mr. Bennet was given a lobotomy. Plus I wasn&#8217;t the only one to giggle at the end when he had his final scene with Lizzy and the pearly whites came through. Why does Lizzy look up to this man- I know there was some knowing looks exchanged during the dinner with Mr. Collins but it looked to me like DS was just becoming tipsy. Does it really make sense for him to humiliate Mary- the humiliation really didn&#8217;t come through because it looked like nobody was paying attention- and then run after to comfort her?</p>
<p>Charlotte- I&#8217;m a true Charlotte fan both in the book and in the other adaptations. This one was just horrid. Rather than being level-headed and rational- she was no better than an of the other girls. Plus the calculating to get Collins was overdone. Overall, DM took a character that had dignity and made her desperate for no discernible reason.  I don&#8217;t think there was the beautiful line of &#8220;I am not a romantic you know. I never was.&#8221; Rather there&#8217;s some pseudo-junk about her being a burden on her parents. And stomping away. Just all around a forced and cringeworthy scene.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll come back and say more later.</p>
<p>Mimi</p>
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		<title>By: T&#38;T: World Cup 2006! &#187; To see Pride &#38; Prejudice or to not see Pride &#38; Prejudice</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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