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		<title>By: Mags</title>
		<link>http://austenblog.com/2008/04/29/miss-austen-regrets-the-day-after/#comment-33757</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 20:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Oh and I think when she was describing Haden as an angel, and stating “heres happiness” etc, she was paraphrasing Fanny who is obviously smitten with him. She’s ironically and detachedly observing her nieces’ crush, and slightly mocking her by mimicing her turns of phrase and thoughts for her own amusement, and Cassandra’s.&lt;/i&gt;

Totally agree--and thanks for putting it so elegantly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh and I think when she was describing Haden as an angel, and stating “heres happiness” etc, she was paraphrasing Fanny who is obviously smitten with him. She’s ironically and detachedly observing her nieces’ crush, and slightly mocking her by mimicing her turns of phrase and thoughts for her own amusement, and Cassandra’s.</i></p>
<p>Totally agree&#8211;and thanks for putting it so elegantly.</p>
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		<title>By: KB Player</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 16:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The closing topper, where Austen revealed that she was pressurised into remaining unmarried by her sister, and was thus a novelist by default, made complete sense.&quot;

It made no sense at all either in the terms of the programme or her biography.  That comment made me furious.  I thought the portrayal of JA by Olivia Williams was excellent both in acting and in the way it was written - sardonic, attached to her family, and aware (as is expressly said by her brother&#039;s housekeeper) that whatever life you choose you have regrets.  I had the impression of someone bursting with energy both for creation and living, and thwarted by the boundaries placed around women in her day and her own illness.  A complex woman, not a sad-eyed forlorn romantic.  Good stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The closing topper, where Austen revealed that she was pressurised into remaining unmarried by her sister, and was thus a novelist by default, made complete sense.&#8221;</p>
<p>It made no sense at all either in the terms of the programme or her biography.  That comment made me furious.  I thought the portrayal of JA by Olivia Williams was excellent both in acting and in the way it was written &#8211; sardonic, attached to her family, and aware (as is expressly said by her brother&#8217;s housekeeper) that whatever life you choose you have regrets.  I had the impression of someone bursting with energy both for creation and living, and thwarted by the boundaries placed around women in her day and her own illness.  A complex woman, not a sad-eyed forlorn romantic.  Good stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Kosh</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 15:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and I think when she was describing Haden as an angel, and stating &quot;heres happiness&quot; etc, she was paraphrasing Fanny who is obviously smitten with him. She&#039;s ironically and detachedly observing her nieces&#039; crush, and slightly mocking her by mimicing her turns of phrase and thoughts for her own amusement, and Cassandra&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and I think when she was describing Haden as an angel, and stating &#8220;heres happiness&#8221; etc, she was paraphrasing Fanny who is obviously smitten with him. She&#8217;s ironically and detachedly observing her nieces&#8217; crush, and slightly mocking her by mimicing her turns of phrase and thoughts for her own amusement, and Cassandra&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Kosh</title>
		<link>http://austenblog.com/2008/04/29/miss-austen-regrets-the-day-after/#comment-33756</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 15:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But for years I have been wondering about the fact that many of my literary heroes have been created by women writers (only Faramir by Tolkien and Jean de Pardaillan by Zevaco might be the exceptions that conffirm the rule), and therefore unfortunately, they might be only figments of female imagination.&quot;

Probably because you&#039;re female. Most of my literary heroes are male, but then I&#039;m male too. I make an exception for Austen, although that wasn&#039;t always the case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But for years I have been wondering about the fact that many of my literary heroes have been created by women writers (only Faramir by Tolkien and Jean de Pardaillan by Zevaco might be the exceptions that conffirm the rule), and therefore unfortunately, they might be only figments of female imagination.&#8221;</p>
<p>Probably because you&#8217;re female. Most of my literary heroes are male, but then I&#8217;m male too. I make an exception for Austen, although that wasn&#8217;t always the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Reeba</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;It is not intended for Janeites
*That* should shut me up ;-)

&gt;Why should we always expect Miss Austen to be sort of strange creature, I think she was a normal woman like others.
Of course she was. I have no doubts about that.
But *this* Haden thing, if true, would seem more pathetic than a &#039;not strange creature, but very normal&#039; :-D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;It is not intended for Janeites<br />
*That* should shut me up <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&gt;Why should we always expect Miss Austen to be sort of strange creature, I think she was a normal woman like others.<br />
Of course she was. I have no doubts about that.<br />
But *this* Haden thing, if true, would seem more pathetic than a &#8216;not strange creature, but very normal&#8217; <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 18:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hans Place, Saturday Dec 2, 1815
 “ …….. But you seem to be under a mistake as to Mr. H.-you call him an Apothecary; he is no Apothecary, he has never been an Apothecary, there is not an Apothecary in this Neighbourhood-the only inconvenience of the situation perhaps, but so it is-we have not a medical Man within reach-he is a Haden, nothing but a Haden, a sort of wonderful nondescript Creature on two legs, something between a Man &amp; an Angel-but without the least spice of an Apothecary.-He is perhaps the only Person not an Apothecary hereabouts.-He has never sung to us. He will not sing without a P. forte accompaniment ……”
Mr. Haden could sing and I am sure Miss Austen was very much impressed with him. Why should we always expect Miss Austen to be sort of strange creature, I think she was a normal woman like others. All this woman needed was a true man’s love but unfortunately she was not happened to meet it. Tom Lefroy’s love was true but not serious; he was very young, financially dependant and very soon disappeared and got out of her life.
Becoming Jane is a fiction (on the official site it is explained that it is not a biopic but an art interpretation of her life) but we must confess that it is very well done fiction exploring a period and events form Jane Austen’s life of which there are not enough proofs and thus being very likable to be taken as authentic. It is not intended for Janeites and gives general ideas of Austen’s life - a great authoress fallen in love in her youth with no happy ending which is true and more than enough for the general audience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans Place, Saturday Dec 2, 1815<br />
 “ …….. But you seem to be under a mistake as to Mr. H.-you call him an Apothecary; he is no Apothecary, he has never been an Apothecary, there is not an Apothecary in this Neighbourhood-the only inconvenience of the situation perhaps, but so it is-we have not a medical Man within reach-he is a Haden, nothing but a Haden, a sort of wonderful nondescript Creature on two legs, something between a Man &amp; an Angel-but without the least spice of an Apothecary.-He is perhaps the only Person not an Apothecary hereabouts.-He has never sung to us. He will not sing without a P. forte accompaniment ……”<br />
Mr. Haden could sing and I am sure Miss Austen was very much impressed with him. Why should we always expect Miss Austen to be sort of strange creature, I think she was a normal woman like others. All this woman needed was a true man’s love but unfortunately she was not happened to meet it. Tom Lefroy’s love was true but not serious; he was very young, financially dependant and very soon disappeared and got out of her life.<br />
Becoming Jane is a fiction (on the official site it is explained that it is not a biopic but an art interpretation of her life) but we must confess that it is very well done fiction exploring a period and events form Jane Austen’s life of which there are not enough proofs and thus being very likable to be taken as authentic. It is not intended for Janeites and gives general ideas of Austen’s life &#8211; a great authoress fallen in love in her youth with no happy ending which is true and more than enough for the general audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Reeba</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taking advantage of this long weekend (starting Wednesday, because of *Ascension*) I have been pouring over JA&#039;s letters to understand what is shown in MAR by Ms Hughes. Not difficult at all, because of the very efficient and helpful Index provided by Deirdre Le Faye. My findings;
Re: Haden (mentioned about 5-6 times in her letters)
-the first time is in connection with Henry&#039;s illness

-the 2nd time is about him &lt;b&gt;taking notice of Fanny&lt;/b&gt; regarding her piano playing, then going on in her own special way about his being  called away  by the Doctor to Capt. Blake&#039;s.

-the third  is more about Edward not coming
&lt;i&gt; We have had no Edward.- Our circle is formed; only Mr. Tilson &amp; Mr Haden.- We are not so happy as we were. &lt;/i&gt;

-the 4th; once again  it is with regards to Fanny;
&lt;i&gt;...the Drawing room was thus arranged, on the sofa-side the two Ladies, Henry and myself making the best of it, on the opposite side Fanny and Mr. Haden in two chairs (I &lt;b&gt;believe&lt;/b&gt; at least they had &lt;b&gt;two&lt;/b&gt; chairs) &lt;b&gt;talking together uninterruptedly.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/i&gt;
(the last emphasis is mine)
The reference to &#039;two chairs&#039; makes me think Fanny and Mr Haden were sitting close together ;-)
On the same page further mention of him with regards to Henry&#039;s illness once again.

-And then the important 5th time. &lt;i&gt;.. sort of wonderful nondescript Creature on two legs, something between a Man &amp; an Angel&lt;/i&gt;
This is JA IMO, the writer, talking . She describes people objectively. Compare another description in a letter to Fanny in Feb 1817, about Henry and Edward (I don&#039;t know which ones, there are so many);
&lt;i&gt;Henry is generally thought very good-looking  but not so handsome  as Edward.- &lt;b&gt;I think I prefer his face.-&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
I think they may be some children in the family (Lizzy&#039;s?)

She could have called Mr H an angel because he cured Henry.
Anyway this description comes &lt;b&gt;after&lt;/b&gt; she has noticed his    attentions to  Fanny.

-the last mention is in a short note like letter to him to return and thank him for some books and expressing hope of seeing him again before they leave on Sunday so that &#039;goodbye&#039; can be said.

So all those deep soulful looks of longing etc in MAR don&#039;t ring true to me.

(the post has become  very long so I won&#039;t write anything else - about Rev. Bridges, for instance)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking advantage of this long weekend (starting Wednesday, because of *Ascension*) I have been pouring over JA&#8217;s letters to understand what is shown in MAR by Ms Hughes. Not difficult at all, because of the very efficient and helpful Index provided by Deirdre Le Faye. My findings;<br />
Re: Haden (mentioned about 5-6 times in her letters)<br />
-the first time is in connection with Henry&#8217;s illness</p>
<p>-the 2nd time is about him <b>taking notice of Fanny</b> regarding her piano playing, then going on in her own special way about his being  called away  by the Doctor to Capt. Blake&#8217;s.</p>
<p>-the third  is more about Edward not coming<br />
<i> We have had no Edward.- Our circle is formed; only Mr. Tilson &amp; Mr Haden.- We are not so happy as we were. </i></p>
<p>-the 4th; once again  it is with regards to Fanny;<br />
<i>&#8230;the Drawing room was thus arranged, on the sofa-side the two Ladies, Henry and myself making the best of it, on the opposite side Fanny and Mr. Haden in two chairs (I <b>believe</b> at least they had <b>two</b> chairs) <b>talking together uninterruptedly.</b> </i><br />
(the last emphasis is mine)<br />
The reference to &#8216;two chairs&#8217; makes me think Fanny and Mr Haden were sitting close together <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
On the same page further mention of him with regards to Henry&#8217;s illness once again.</p>
<p>-And then the important 5th time. <i>.. sort of wonderful nondescript Creature on two legs, something between a Man &amp; an Angel</i><br />
This is JA IMO, the writer, talking . She describes people objectively. Compare another description in a letter to Fanny in Feb 1817, about Henry and Edward (I don&#8217;t know which ones, there are so many);<br />
<i>Henry is generally thought very good-looking  but not so handsome  as Edward.- <b>I think I prefer his face.-</b></i><br />
I think they may be some children in the family (Lizzy&#8217;s?)</p>
<p>She could have called Mr H an angel because he cured Henry.<br />
Anyway this description comes <b>after</b> she has noticed his    attentions to  Fanny.</p>
<p>-the last mention is in a short note like letter to him to return and thank him for some books and expressing hope of seeing him again before they leave on Sunday so that &#8216;goodbye&#8217; can be said.</p>
<p>So all those deep soulful looks of longing etc in MAR don&#8217;t ring true to me.</p>
<p>(the post has become  very long so I won&#8217;t write anything else &#8211; about Rev. Bridges, for instance)</p>
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		<title>By: Cinthia</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;-Felt like cheering when Edward tells Fanny to read her aunt’s novels again if she thinks they are all about love and marriage - and when OW says very firmly that Tom lefroy wasn’t the one, and it hurt for about 5 minutes.&lt;/i&gt;

And the third one would be the one about the only way to found a Mr. Darcy is making him up. I loved those 3, altough I can imagine this one break many fantasy bubbles among fans, he, he. But for years I have been wondering about the fact that many of my literary heroes have been created by women writers (only Faramir by Tolkien and Jean de Pardaillan by Zevaco might be the exceptions that conffirm the rule), and therefore unfortunately, they might be only figments of female imagination.

Thanks Boris for the link on how to purchase the CD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>-Felt like cheering when Edward tells Fanny to read her aunt’s novels again if she thinks they are all about love and marriage &#8211; and when OW says very firmly that Tom lefroy wasn’t the one, and it hurt for about 5 minutes.</i></p>
<p>And the third one would be the one about the only way to found a Mr. Darcy is making him up. I loved those 3, altough I can imagine this one break many fantasy bubbles among fans, he, he. But for years I have been wondering about the fact that many of my literary heroes have been created by women writers (only Faramir by Tolkien and Jean de Pardaillan by Zevaco might be the exceptions that conffirm the rule), and therefore unfortunately, they might be only figments of female imagination.</p>
<p>Thanks Boris for the link on how to purchase the CD.</p>
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		<title>By: Reeba</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops! I meant, the film starts with a &#039;proposal&#039; of marriage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops! I meant, the film starts with a &#8216;proposal&#8217; of marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Reeba</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Received the DVD on Monday and have just finished watching it.

Not quite sure what I expected.
Olivia Williams is pretty good, I thought.

The first half hour or so was rather strange - lack of substance, sort of -  because Olivia Williams kept reminding me of Lydia instead of Jane Austen. Not her fault at all. She did what she was asked to by the script writer and director.

But was JA that crazy as shown?
Are they mixing up satire of JA&#039;s letters with something else? Then again - it&#039;s the difference in personal interpretation, and so ...*shrugs* ..it&#039;s just that JA seemed like Lydia. Well almost.

Towards the end it got better - &lt;b&gt;substance-wise&lt;/b&gt;.

Some points i noted;
-The film starts with marriage - ends with marriage - and there is this whole talk of marriage and men in between.
-mouthing dialogues from her books grated on my nerves.
-Felt like cheering when Edward tells Fanny to read her aunt&#039;s novels again if she thinks they are all about love and marriage - and when OW says very firmly that Tom lefroy wasn&#039;t the one, and it hurt for about 5 minutes.
-I liked the the underlying thread of their financial problems and her tragic illness.
-and of course it was far far better than the other one - &#039;Becoming Jane&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Received the DVD on Monday and have just finished watching it.</p>
<p>Not quite sure what I expected.<br />
Olivia Williams is pretty good, I thought.</p>
<p>The first half hour or so was rather strange &#8211; lack of substance, sort of &#8211;  because Olivia Williams kept reminding me of Lydia instead of Jane Austen. Not her fault at all. She did what she was asked to by the script writer and director.</p>
<p>But was JA that crazy as shown?<br />
Are they mixing up satire of JA&#8217;s letters with something else? Then again &#8211; it&#8217;s the difference in personal interpretation, and so &#8230;*shrugs* ..it&#8217;s just that JA seemed like Lydia. Well almost.</p>
<p>Towards the end it got better &#8211; <b>substance-wise</b>.</p>
<p>Some points i noted;<br />
-The film starts with marriage &#8211; ends with marriage &#8211; and there is this whole talk of marriage and men in between.<br />
-mouthing dialogues from her books grated on my nerves.<br />
-Felt like cheering when Edward tells Fanny to read her aunt&#8217;s novels again if she thinks they are all about love and marriage &#8211; and when OW says very firmly that Tom lefroy wasn&#8217;t the one, and it hurt for about 5 minutes.<br />
-I liked the the underlying thread of their financial problems and her tragic illness.<br />
-and of course it was far far better than the other one &#8211; &#8216;Becoming Jane&#8217;.</p>
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